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		<title>By: Jim Pope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Pope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark, 

The first thing to say here is that I didn&#039;t just speak to students - I spoke with amateur writers, avid readers of fiction of all kinds, literature teachers, and school students. Also, I know that 36 readers aren&#039;t speaking for everyone, but there is a good tradition of working with small groups of readers to glean rich data about the experience of reading (eg Holland&#039;s &#039;5 Reader Reading&#039;, and Nell&#039;&#039;s work in &#039;Lost in a Book&#039;). Remember also that my readers didn&#039;t only read the obviously &#039;literary&#039; material - I selected a range of hyper-fiction, in order to get some sense of the range of responses that hyper-narrative might provoke.

I don&#039;t think either that someone who enjoys &#039;Ulysses&#039; would necessarily enjoy a hyper-novel: there&#039;s no inevitable correlation between the non-linearity of Modernist novels, for example, and the non-linearity of hyper-literature. Hyper-literature can be anything it wants to be, but at the moment almost all hyper-fiction is &#039;difficult&#039; for readers. I absolutely wouldn&#039;t want that &#039;difficult&#039; stuff to disappear -obviously we need and want the experimental, the challenging, and the awkward, or nothing new would ever emerge in the arts (or the sciences). But it isn&#039;t a situation that enhances the form&#039;s chances of continuing or developing, if it stays only &#039;difficult&#039;, and elitist. It may well satisfy some academics that it is THE thing, but it will become a museum piece. I&#039;d like to have avant garde hyper-fiction, difficult hyper-fiction, hyper-fiction for kids, hyper-fiction for lazy reading. Why not have whatever the form can bring?

Also, of course, I&#039;m not using enjoyment as a measure of quality or longevity - what I&#039;m interested in is finding out what might be done to open hyper-fiction out to a wider community of writers and readers than currently. For example, through my reading and empirical studies, I&#039;ve been able to better understand some of the issues writers need to consider when designing hyper-narratives, so that readers can access the story that the writer had in mind - that might not be a project you would consider important, but I suspect that Megan Heyward had something to say when she created &#039;Of Day, of Night&#039; and I expect she hoped her readers would &#039;get&#039; it. 

I think the value of my work is shown in a writing project I ran in Dorset recently: when I took my ideas to a local secondary school, and offered a group of 14-year-olds the chance to make their own interactive narratives (using Flash on laptops), I saw the lovely, creative results of making the form &#039;easier&#039; to grasp. I hope that is not too far away from what you and Michael were thinking of when you developed Storyspace (for which, thank you, because without Storyspace I might never have read &#039;afternoon&#039; or &#039;Patchwork Girl&#039;).

let&#039;s talk further!
Jim Pope
PS apologies for spelling mistakes-  I can&#039;t see them on this screen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark, </p>
<p>The first thing to say here is that I didn&#8217;t just speak to students &#8211; I spoke with amateur writers, avid readers of fiction of all kinds, literature teachers, and school students. Also, I know that 36 readers aren&#8217;t speaking for everyone, but there is a good tradition of working with small groups of readers to glean rich data about the experience of reading (eg Holland&#8217;s &#8217;5 Reader Reading&#8217;, and Nell&#8221;s work in &#8216;Lost in a Book&#8217;). Remember also that my readers didn&#8217;t only read the obviously &#8216;literary&#8217; material &#8211; I selected a range of hyper-fiction, in order to get some sense of the range of responses that hyper-narrative might provoke.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think either that someone who enjoys &#8216;Ulysses&#8217; would necessarily enjoy a hyper-novel: there&#8217;s no inevitable correlation between the non-linearity of Modernist novels, for example, and the non-linearity of hyper-literature. Hyper-literature can be anything it wants to be, but at the moment almost all hyper-fiction is &#8216;difficult&#8217; for readers. I absolutely wouldn&#8217;t want that &#8216;difficult&#8217; stuff to disappear -obviously we need and want the experimental, the challenging, and the awkward, or nothing new would ever emerge in the arts (or the sciences). But it isn&#8217;t a situation that enhances the form&#8217;s chances of continuing or developing, if it stays only &#8216;difficult&#8217;, and elitist. It may well satisfy some academics that it is THE thing, but it will become a museum piece. I&#8217;d like to have avant garde hyper-fiction, difficult hyper-fiction, hyper-fiction for kids, hyper-fiction for lazy reading. Why not have whatever the form can bring?</p>
<p>Also, of course, I&#8217;m not using enjoyment as a measure of quality or longevity &#8211; what I&#8217;m interested in is finding out what might be done to open hyper-fiction out to a wider community of writers and readers than currently. For example, through my reading and empirical studies, I&#8217;ve been able to better understand some of the issues writers need to consider when designing hyper-narratives, so that readers can access the story that the writer had in mind &#8211; that might not be a project you would consider important, but I suspect that Megan Heyward had something to say when she created &#8216;Of Day, of Night&#8217; and I expect she hoped her readers would &#8216;get&#8217; it. </p>
<p>I think the value of my work is shown in a writing project I ran in Dorset recently: when I took my ideas to a local secondary school, and offered a group of 14-year-olds the chance to make their own interactive narratives (using Flash on laptops), I saw the lovely, creative results of making the form &#8216;easier&#8217; to grasp. I hope that is not too far away from what you and Michael were thinking of when you developed Storyspace (for which, thank you, because without Storyspace I might never have read &#8216;afternoon&#8217; or &#8216;Patchwork Girl&#8217;).</p>
<p>let&#8217;s talk further!<br />
Jim Pope<br />
PS apologies for spelling mistakes-  I can&#8217;t see them on this screen.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bernstein</title>
		<link>http://interjunction.org/article/twists-in-the-digital-tale/#comment-11355</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bernstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 23:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many of your readers report that they &quot;enjoyed&quot; or &quot;were enthusiastic about&quot; Ulysses, or Endgame, or If On A Winter Night A Traveller.... ?  This seems a central question in knowing how to regard their reaction!

A difficulty with studying 36 readers, without knowing more about those 36 people, is that different readers like and expect so many different things.  It&#039;s not only true in literature; I expect that 36 college students, for example, might well prefer Alma-Tadema to Turner, or might like Andrew Wyeth better than Mark Rothko, or think they enjoyed a performance of The Man Of La Mancha more than they enjoyed No Exit.  

We&#039;re also assuming, implicitly, that &quot;enjoyment&quot; is the right thing to measure here.  I&#039;m not sure it is, either in terms of the author&#039;s intentions or in terms of the work&#039;s lasting influence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many of your readers report that they &#8220;enjoyed&#8221; or &#8220;were enthusiastic about&#8221; Ulysses, or Endgame, or If On A Winter Night A Traveller&#8230;. ?  This seems a central question in knowing how to regard their reaction!</p>
<p>A difficulty with studying 36 readers, without knowing more about those 36 people, is that different readers like and expect so many different things.  It&#8217;s not only true in literature; I expect that 36 college students, for example, might well prefer Alma-Tadema to Turner, or might like Andrew Wyeth better than Mark Rothko, or think they enjoyed a performance of The Man Of La Mancha more than they enjoyed No Exit.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;re also assuming, implicitly, that &#8220;enjoyment&#8221; is the right thing to measure here.  I&#8217;m not sure it is, either in terms of the author&#8217;s intentions or in terms of the work&#8217;s lasting influence.</p>
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